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Michael Trent & Cary Ann Hearst (Shovels & Rope): “By Blood” | Talks at Google

guess we talk now. Right? CARY ANN HEARST: We should
talk, just be ourselves. MICHAEL TRENT: We’re
Shovels & Rope. Just be ourselves. We’re from Charleston,
see somebody else from Charleston, South
Carolina in the room. Yeah. CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah. MICHAEL TRENT: Maybe
you want to talk. How are you? All right. We have a new record
called “By Blood,” and this is a song called
“Mississippi Nuthin’.” [SHOVELS & ROPE SINGING
“MISSISSIPPI NUTHIN'”] [APPLAUSE] Thank you. CARY ANN HEARST: Poor guy. Always sitting around,
thinking about what it could have been
instead of focusing on what he ought to be. It’s sad. MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah. Bigger message, huh? CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah. MICHAEL TRENT: All
right, we’re not too sure what to do right here. We’ll probably just
play another song. I would like to say I’m
wearing our own t-shirt, and Cary’s wearing
our own t-shirt. They’re not selling well, so
we have a closet full of them. And it actually says– I’ve seen some pictures
and it says “by blood,” but I realized that it looks
like it says “by lood.” CARY ANN HEARST: [LAUGHING] MICHAEL TRENT: I’m not trying
to get anybody to buy ludes. And it’s not even
how it’s spelled. CARY ANN HEARST: [LAUGHING] There’s a song we have– it’s a fairy tale about
a magical horse that basically jumps over the
rubble of a fallen wall on the border in the
aftermath of its destruction and reunites families
by finding them on one side of
the destroyed wall and bringing them
to the other side. And it’s called “Come On, Utah.” [SHOVELS & ROPE SINGING
Michael, Cary Ann, thank you so much for
playing three songs for us. We appreciate that. You guys did great, by the way. You said, I’m not sure what
we’re supposed to do up here. I think play music for us. You spot on, you nailed it. MICHAEL TRENT:
Mission accomplished. JASON ANDREAS: Out
of all the things you could have done,
yeah, you nailed it. CARY ANN HEARST: It’s the
only thing we’re good at, so I’m glad we could serve our
proper purpose to you today. JASON ANDREAS: I love it. You guys nailed it. So thank you so much, guys. We were talking a little
bit before you guys played the songs for us. You guys are fairly
busy, I think, would be an understatement. As you guys mentioned,
the new album “By Blood” came out in April. You also hosted your own
festival in Charleston. Your own– you hosted it,
played in it, recruited for it. We’ll talk about
that in a little bit. You guys have a
movie coming out, “Shovels & Rope: The
Movie” in August. August 2, I believe,
it is releasing. We’ll talk a little
bit about that as well. You also– for the
last song you played– thank you for playing that– “Come On, Utah.” You also are working on a
book for that song, and then on top of all of that, you
have a six-month-old that came out right in the
middle of all that. So thank you for carving
some time out for us. Let’s start there. With all of the time on the
road, all of these things you have going on, how do you
balance that personal life with the professional
life, right? And you’re also touring
with your children as well, so they’re
on the tour bus with you, having a good
time, I think, probably adding an extra layer of stress. But how does all that
work out for you guys? MICHAEL TRENT: We just had to
get real savvy with scheduling. It sounds boring, but we
actually wrote a schedule out and put it on the fridge. At least for when we’re at home
working on music, it was like, there’s no possible way to
get this stuff done unless we write a nerdy schedule out. And it was good. CARY ANN HEARST: And on
tour we have infrastructure. We have a nanny, and
our tour manager. Everybody’s on board. Everybody loves the kids,
and everybody pitches in to make sure that they stay
safe and have a good time. But we travel with a person
that supports us and makes sure that the kids
have what they need when we’re both on stage. And I think every
parent and every family has to balance work
life and home life. Our home life
takes place– like, we’re always together
all the time. So we have an advantage
in that sense. So the challenges are certainly
outweighed by the fact that we spend so much time with
our kids while they’re little. So we’re really lucky. JASON ANDREAS: Yeah, absolutely. And I flashed a picture up here. I’ve got a couple of pictures. I believe that’s
on the tour bus. CARY ANN HEARST: It is. Our buses broke
down this morning. JASON ANDREAS: This is like the
cutest thing you’ve ever seen. MICHAEL TRENT: That was
a break down moment. And you can see Louie
has got like– she’s coloring with something. And Oscar’s in the Babybjorn
unsafely on the couch. CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah. I don’t want to hear it
from the mom shamers. You guys can just
be quiet, because– JASON ANDREAS: No judgment. We’re all doing our best, right? [LAUGHING] Here’s another one. This appears to be on a plane? CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah. JASON ANDREAS: You guys
were doing the flying at five months,
four months as well. CARY ANN HEARST: I think that
was Oscar’s first flight. Louie’s an old pro. She knows how to do it. You see how comfortable she is. She’s like, I’m in
the window seat. I got my snacks. JASON ANDREAS: She’s
having a good time. CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah. JASON ANDREAS: And then my
personal favorite picture, which is probably one of the
most adorable things I’ve seen. We were joking
earlier, apparently this is where babies come from. Right? CARY ANN HEARST: It is. It’s where rock n’
roll babies come from. JASON ANDREAS: Opened up
the case, and there he was. CARY ANN HEARST: The stork
just brings them to load out and puts them in the case. MICHAEL TRENT: He
rides comfortably in there in the
back of the trailer. JASON ANDREAS: I love it. It looks comfy. Do they make one in my size? MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah,
I bet you they do. JASON ANDREAS: Maybe
a stand up base. CARY ANN HEARST: Oh yeah, this
case company can make anything. JASON ANDREAS: Yeah. No, I love what you
guys do, though. And I was reading you guys
built kind of a recording studio and kind of creative space
in the backyard of your house as well. So you can kind of
stay engaged as well. MICHAEL TRENT: We did. JASON ANDREAS: And has that
led to more creativity? CARY ANN HEARST: Oh yeah. JASON ANDREAS: Just kind
of being around the family, being able to pop back
there without having to run to a studio down the
street or something like that, or trying to record
while the kids are crying in the background? MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah. It was a necessity. We had on our record before
this one, “Little Seeds,” we just had our first kid. And we make all of our
records in our house. We always have. And we just had like a little
modest studio upstairs, and then we were like, oh
yeah, this will be fine. We’ll just have our
neighbor come over, and she’ll hold the baby. And we’ll just go upstairs. And she’ll gently put
the baby down to sleep, and then we’ll go upstairs
and hammer out some drums. It’ll be great. [LAUGHING] And it was really
difficult, and we had to step back
and take a rethink. And it was really– yeah,
it was the best thing that we could have done. CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah, we have
this awesome dedicated space, where our stuff is set
up, and we can rehearse. And we can record,
and we can write. And there’s not
LEGOs on the floor. And it’s just right there. So we can be back and forth,
bouncing back and forth between the worlds easily. JASON ANDREAS: The
two worlds– yeah, I was going to ask about that. The family world, the personal
world, and then the art world, and the professional world– is there like a conscientious
split between the two right now? Obviously, you’re
touring with your family, and they’re part of
your music and part of what you’re doing every day. But do you try and keep a
separation between that, or are you starting to
blend the two together? MICHAEL TRENT: It’s weird. Since the beginning, everybody
was interested in, oh, you guys are a married couple. How does it go? What’s it like? CARY ANN HEARST: Do you
guy fight all the time? You guys never fight? MICHAEL TRENT: And we
tried to kind of ignore it. We probably should have– I don’t know. We were trying to be a
little bit sly about it, and it just doesn’t work. It’s obviously what we do. It’s obviously a big
part of how we operate. And I feel like with
this record, I mean, there’s some themes
on it, and actually the title of it
and everything is all kind of wrapped around
us relenting to the fact that this is our
family business. And we’re all going
to do this together, and we’re kind of
stuck with each other. And it’s great. And it’s also hard. And I don’t know. That was a different
mindset, I think, that we had this time around. JASON ANDREAS: And
maybe I’m totally missing the purpose of
the song, but the song you guys led for us,
“I’m Coming Out,” if I read the lyrics right, is
I assume about your newborn son, or at least has some
connotations around that as well. So again, kind of that’s
your professional life. You’re writing songs,
but at the same time you’re bringing in some
of that personal as well. CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah,
that song definitely started out being inspired
like from the perspective of a baby that knows
that change is coming, who’s about to be born. And he doesn’t know
what circumstances he’s going to be born into, like
if he’s going to be in peace or in a war zone. But he’s going to come out. And like the human
natural survival instinct that we have kicks in, and
he’s excited about being born. But it becomes an allegory for
coming out of whatever closet, like people who are reckoning
with their sexuality, or people who are reckoning
with what they want to do with their life, and like
went to college to be a doctor and they just want to be a poet. So like emerging from
your personal cocoon and transforming
into your best self. And yeah, being ready to fight. JASON ANDREAS: And
I also like too– I just flipped pictures
to the new album as well, the title song, “By Blood.” And you guys actually included
all the lyrics on the cover as well. And I think it’s a really
interesting song too. I’m a father myself, and I
think some of the lyrics, at least the way
that I read them, are about trying to find
yourself as a parent, right? And trying to find how you spend
time in your professional life, but also spend time with
your children as well. Can you talk a little
bit more about that? And Michael, I believe–
did you write this song? MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah. JASON ANDREAS: I think kind of
from a father’s perspective, so it touched me as well. I’m like, well, I know kind
of what he’s talking about. I don’t tour with my
children, but still a lot of the same kind of challenges. MICHAEL TRENT: It was just a lot
about trying to figure it out. The complicated
relationship that you have with your new kid,
especially being a dad, and like you’re not really
the one for a while. But you want to
be there, and you want to be supportive,
and try to do everything that you can do. And I don’t know. It’s really about a
complicated type of love. And I feel like that is our
whole thing in a nutshell. If you would want to distill
it all, it’s based on love, but it’s all pretty complicated. But it’s great. And we’re grateful. JASON ANDREAS: Yeah. My experience was with my
first child what you said. You’re trying to figure out
as a father what you do. [LAUGHING] MICHAEL TRENT: Why
do you hate me? JASON ANDREAS: For
the first while, yeah, what am I here for? I know for the first part. But now for a while it’s
really dependent on mom. MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah. JASON ANDREAS: But
the interesting part is with the second
child is that you– at least I did, and it
sounds like you as well with your oldest daughter– become attached,
very attached to her while the newborn is spending
time with the mom, right, too. And I think that’s
a lot of it as well. MICHAEL TRENT: It is. We have a great, like a really
cool thing going on now. And he’s a lot different too. CARY ANN HEARST: And
you’re different. You’re confident,
and you know how to– you’re not scared of that baby. MICHAEL TRENT: No. JASON ANDREAS: Dads. Woo. MICHAEL TRENT: I do feel
like at the beginning, with your first
child, everything is– it’s nuts. And you’re projecting
your own thing onto them, and you’re probably intensifying
every situation by your– CARY ANN HEARST: Nervous energy. MICHAEL TRENT: –nervousness. And like, ah, what do I do? And yeah, I mean, like
everything is pretty easy breezy, and it’s
great to kind of be working towards that peace
and that just easy breezy vibe. JASON ANDREAS: And
it’s day by day, right? You’re trying to figure
it out day by day. MICHAEL TRENT: Oh, it’s
always easy breezy every day. There’s never any problems. [LAUGHING] JASON ANDREAS: Some are
good, some are bad, I’m sure. That’s awesome. Let’s talk about
another song too. The last song you guys
played for us, “Come On, Utah,” which I absolutely love. I just love the vibe of it. And I love the
story behind it too. When I first started
listening to it, I was like, wait a minute. What is this song about? Can you talk a
little bit about– you mentioned it in
the lead-in, Cary Ann, and I appreciate that– but
can you talk a little bit more about where that song came from? And obviously there’s some
political undertones to it. You can write about
political undertones in an interesting way,
and almost a fun way. And you’re also working on
a book around that as well. And so maybe just kind of tying
those three things together. And if you forget any of
them, I’ll remind you. CARY ANN HEARST: Sure. “Come On, Utah” was
one of the first songs that came to the work
pile for this album. Michael brought it to the pile. And we were working on the
song, and I was floored by it right out of the gate. I thought it was a
great fairy tale. And the idea is
that a wall came up on the southern
border of our country. In due time it was brought down,
and in the course of all that, communications and
culture have changed. And there’s a lot of separation,
like a lot of people who don’t– one of our crew mates was
like, you know, it makes sense, because everything is digital. And if you don’t have a phone,
you don’t have any photos, and you don’t have a
way to contact anybody, you could really be isolated
in the future trying to reunite with your family. So the story is that the
kids and the families are sitting around
the campfires, waiting to come
across the border. They’re waiting to make contact. And the families are
telling folk tales, things that calm the kids
to calm their anxieties. And the story is that there’s
this horse, this magical horse that will come,
and will find you, and just will know
where your people are. And you’ll just
jump on his back, and he’ll whisk you over the
rubble, and up the river, and back to Colorado, where
you will find your loved ones that you’ve
been separated from. Fast forward to the news. All of a sudden there’s
amplified crisis at the border. There’s the separation crisis,
and it took our breath away. And then you noted that
there’s a little bit of a fun spirit to the song. All of a sudden,
we were conscious that we didn’t want to be
glib or silly about something that was so serious and awful. And then when we were
playing the song, we made sure we wanted
to tell the story. And so we’re on
tour in the South, and we’re talking
about this wall. And there’s a mix of, yeah,
build the wall, and no wall, like in the audience. And so we learned early we’re
going to say what we feel, and that’s important to us, that
we have a feeling about the way the world should be. And that’s going to
come across in our art. That’s our job as artists, and
that’s what we’re going to do. But we’re not in the
business of setting fire to a place in a political
cacophony of hurt feelings. But it is our job
to take a stand and to tell the narrative
that is important to us. And so “Come On,
Utah,” we’ve recently decided we would have
it illustrated into sort of a children’s book,
kind of a graphic novel, a conversation piece
that fans of our music can discuss with their
kids what the song is about with a little
bit of context. And maybe we can just
facilitate that conversation. In the meantime, when
the book comes out– it’s in the middle
of the process– portions of the
proceeds will certainly be directed to
organizations that are helping to support the
families in crisis down there and help the kids– JASON ANDREAS: Beautiful. CARY ANN HEARST: –in the
best way that we know how. Because it’s such
a helpless feeling. JASON ANDREAS: Yeah. And there’s an undertone of
hope as well through the song. CARY ANN HEARST: Always. JASON ANDREAS: I
think I said fun. I think more hope is
what we’re looking for. And I think that’s what’s so
interesting about the song is that when you’re
speaking to children, and some things like that that
are more of the sensitive side, helping them find hope in
a situation that seems dire is incredibly important. That’s why I like
the song so much. And the fact you guys are
turning it into a book is absolutely awesome as well. CARY ANN HEARST: Thank you. JASON ANDREAS: And
then, also, too, you hit on this a little
bit, Cary Ann– in the type of music
that you guys make, which is admittedly hard
to kind of put a finger on, but there’s obviously
undertones of folk and Bluegrass and
things like that– a lot of that type
of music is based on storytelling, like
narrative writing and narrative storytelling, right? Where there’s the old
murder ballads of old days, and things like that,
where a story is being told through the songs itself. And you guys in the past have
wrote a lot of songs like that. There’s a few of them on
the new record as well. But that also has
its place as well, where you’re kind of doing
some narrative storytelling through your music as well. MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah, just
creating some characters and playing the story
out through their eyes. JASON ANDREAS: Yeah, absolutely. Let’s talk a little bit about– we’re talking
about storytelling, so I mentioned it as
well earlier– you guys are releasing on August 2
your first live concert. Tell me about it,
actually, because it mixes a lot of different things in. Actually, I’ll play
the trailer first, and then we can maybe talk
about where the idea came from and how it differs from a
traditional concert film. Because it certainly does. [STATIC] [THUNDER] [MUSIC PLAYING] NARRATOR: You know, for
the purposes of protecting the innocent, we’ll just call
this town any old town US of A. [MUSIC PLAYING] CARY ANN HEARST:
It’s Charleston. NARRATOR: And tonight
there’s a little shindig. [MUSIC PLAYING] [BOOM] [CHEERING] JASON ANDREAS: It’s
got me excited. CARY ANN HEARST: It
looks pretty cool. JASON ANDREAS: It
looks cool, right? CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah. JASON ANDREAS: I agree. And I think there’s
a longer trailer that I went through the other
day, which tells a lot more. It’s more of like the narrative
story worked in there also. Anyhow, tell us, where
did this idea come from? How did it turn into that? Because that looks awesome. MICHAEL TRENT: We set out
to make a concert film, just like, you know, we’re
going to go into this place, to a club and play two nights,
and just record it well. And film it well, and mix it. And it’s going to
be one of those. And the director,
he hit us up– he started sending a couple of
clips of a couple of the songs, and it just looked like
something else, something different and more unique, and
not just like a concert film. Here comes the lights, here’s
the band, sit on your couch and watch it, kind of a
lesser version of what you would have seen at the show. And then we started
the discussion about how concert films are
great, but they can get boring. It’s like, you’re not
getting pounded by the sound. You’re sitting there. It’s just like this
regular 2D thing. And the clips that
he was sending were like these
little vignettes. They felt like little movies. There’s one shot where he
just started way, way back, and zoomed in, and then
it was like zooming in through the camera
lens of somebody else, and it just seemed
like something else. It seemed like we could
do something else with it. And he came to us
with the idea of, well, what if we
just make it a movie? And we’ll make a movie,
we’ll weave in a storyline. We’ll get actors, and
we’ll write a script. And we’re like, yeah,
that sounds good. Ambitious, but we were
down to do something– CARY ANN HEARST: Sounds
like a lot of work. MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah,
we were down to do something outside of the box. And so he wrote a script,
and then he bounced it to us. And then we kind of rewrote
it bounced it back to him, and then we started
the ball rolling. And it turned into this story
that we’re like, oh yeah. Maybe we could actually do this. And so we had to tour
a lot during that time that the ball was rolling. And he rounded up a bunch
of comedians and actors, like local actors
from Charleston, and just started shooting stuff. And it began to come together
in a really totally unique way. CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah,
we loaned him our T-Bird. He drove our old car around. JASON ANDREAS: That’s
your car in there? CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah,
the T-Bird has made a– it’s in the movie,
which I think is great. It’s visually interesting,
and just something different where our music
plays a role as a character in a movie on a VHS tape. And we’re excited about it. JASON ANDREAS: And
there’s roughly 10 songs kind of interspersed
throughout as well? MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah, 10 songs. And it’s this story
about this guy who’s down on his luck, had some
hard times in his life, and his daughter is
a real go-getter. And she’s trying to pull
him up out of his funk. And he’s a fan of the band,
and he wants to go to the show. And that’s where some
of this stuff happens. JASON ANDREAS: Sure, yeah. MICHAEL TRENT: And
I’m kind of stuck with what I was trying to say. CARY ANN HEARST: Well,
you should tell them when it comes out on the website. MICHAEL TRENT: Well, it comes
out on the website on August 2. JASON ANDREAS: There you go. MICHAEL TRENT: And
you’re going to get three things with the download. You get the actual
movie with the narrative in it and the concert. You get a narrative-less– just only the concert. So if you’ve seen the movie,
or if that’s not your thing. CARY ANN HEARST: Hate the movie,
you don’t have to watch it. MICHAEL TRENT: You can
just watch the songs, watch the live performance bit. And you get a download
of the live audio, which sounds pretty good. JASON ANDREAS: Sounds
like a good deal. CARY ANN HEARST:
It’s a good deal. And directly from us. We’re going to just
distribute it ourselves. JASON ANDREAS:
Skip the middleman. I love that. CARY ANN HEARST: A little bit. JASON ANDREAS: I love
it, so from the website. Cool. We’ll include a link
on there so you guys can take a look at it as well. But that’s awesome. Super excited to watch it
all in a couple of weeks. That’s awesome. Actually, not even. You mentioned too– I’m
changing subjects, but Cary Ann, you kind of led me into this,
because as you were talking about putting together this
movie you said it sounds like a lot of work– and again, I kind of
alluded to this earlier. You guys also back in April,
this was your third annual High Water Festival. So for those of you
that don’t know– actually, why should I tell you
about the High Water Festival when you guys can
tell us about it? CARY ANN HEARST: That’s
just another thing eats into our leisure time, Jason. You know, we had leisure
time, and they said, you want to do a festival? And our answer is
always the same. Sounds like a lot of work. I’m not sure. So High Water
Festival is a festival we do every year in April. We just had our third annual. We curate the music
and the overall culture of the festival. We picked some of the
food, and the drinks, and just kind of
create the vibe. It’s very artist friendly. It’s very fan friendly,
pretty affordably priced, lineup is stacked. MICHAEL TRENT: It’s not too big. CARY ANN HEARST:
It’s not too big. We’re always moving towards
greener and greener footprint, so it’s relatively low impact,
high yield for the community, because there’s a charitable
component to the ticket sales. It’s something we’re
really proud of. It was an opportunity
that was given to us. We partner with
AC Entertainment. They brought you
Bonnaroo, and so they can do a 10,000 person
festival all day long easy. So it sounds good, looks good. There’s enough potties. The waits aren’t too long for
the beers, all these things. MICHAEL TRENT: It’s
family friendly. There’s stuff for kids to do. CARY ANN HEARST:
Family friendly. MICHAEL TRENT: And
usually the lineup is– well, we pick the bands. So it’s like there’s
rock and roll in there. There’s maybe something
for the younger kids. And then there’s some people
who’ve been around for a while. And a lot of the acts
we meet out on the road and strike up a conversation. And we’re like, come
play at our festival. JASON ANDREAS: Yeah. It’s not too hard to pull people
to Charleston in April either. It’s not too hot yet,
nice weather, good food. CARY ANN HEARST: And Charleston
is such a beautiful town. It’s one of the
most popular tourist destinations in the States. But we’re a secondary if
not tertiary touring market. And so our festival
gives fans an opportunity to route through, get
paid, meet a bunch of fans they didn’t know they had,
introduce fans that didn’t even know about a band
to a band that will be their new favorite
band, and they’ll go see them in smaller clubs
when they come back to town. So that feels exciting. JASON ANDREAS: The lineup
for all three years has been stacked, but
this year was incredible. And you mentioned it, Michael. You meet folks out the road. You obviously have friends from
playing for a long time now. Are you working on
that all year round? Are you running into folks? Are you calling folks up? I mean, it seems
like it’s something that the minute that
this year’s ended, you’re already starting
to plan for next year. What’s that process look
like to bring those folks in? MICHAEL TRENT: We kind
of chill for a week. Everything gets cleaned up. And then we have a
meeting, and everybody starts kind of debriefing,
like how did this go? What was good? What was bad? How could we do better? How can we make it greener? CARY ANN HEARST: It’s never
how can we make it bigger. MICHAEL TRENT: It’s never
how can we make it bigger. CARY ANN HEARST:
It is what it is. MICHAEL TRENT: How can we
make it better and just like a better experience? And we want people
to have a good time. We’re not trying to take it all
the way to the bank every year. It’s like if we can make it
something that people really want to come to, and before they
even know the lineup they’re like, High Water’s legit. JASON ANDREAS: Yeah. MICHAEL TRENT: But yeah. We start talking about
lineup pretty quick. We’re thick in it right now. CARY ANN HEARST: We submit
a list this long, 10 pages, of all the bands that
we like, and then it’s a matter of like, who’s on tour? Who can we afford? Who wants to do the festival
and can’t, but maybe next year? MICHAEL TRENT: Mindful
to keep it inclusive, and just do our best to give
everybody an opportunity, and make it just do
what we should be doing. And yeah, so I
guess, I don’t know. We might have a few people
on lock for High Water 4, but it’s constant. JASON ANDREAS: Yeah. I love it. It’s on my calendar
for next year already. I’ve got a couple of good
buddies who live in Charleston, so I’m going to try and
tie the two together. So I trust in you
guys that the lineup is going to be on point like
it was this year and the years before. So I’m not even
worried about it. So that’s awesome. CARY ANN HEARST: Yeah, the
only thing that’s ever a threat really is the weather is tricky. JASON ANDREAS: The weather. Yeah. CARY ANN HEARST: But the
cool thing about Charleston is– god forbid
our festival gets rained out– there’s absolutely
no way you can have a bad time. If you like to eat, and you like
fine beverages and fun people, come on. JASON ANDREAS: I do. Do you guys? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? CARY ANN HEARST:
That’s the spot. She knows I’m talking about. JASON ANDREAS: Awesome. [CHUCKLES] I love it. Let me ask you, kind of
tying everything back together, I read an
article earlier this year from the “Wall Street Journal”
that you guys were actually featured in, or there
was a quote from you, I believe, Cary
Ann, about, I guess, the mid-market of touring bands. Right? We’re not talking
about the top 1%. It was basically showing
the differentiation between the Beyonces
and Taylor Swifts, who are charging astronomical
prices for their shows and can, filling up arenas like the one
we’re in right now very easily, and going on a 50 city
tour around the world and making boatloads of money. And then from there
very quickly it drops into the second
layer of musicians. And that consists
of constant touring. I think I read something
where one of you was quoted saying we’re
basically on tour forever. And you guys do, right? So you’re doing the tour,
and you’re doing the movie. You’re doing the book. You’re doing the festival. How does that all
play out for you guys? How do you sit down
and say, listen, this is what our year looks like? I know you talked about
scheduling and things like that. But how do you tie all
of that back together into something that makes
sense as parents, as musicians, as professionals,
as all of that? CARY ANN HEARST: It requires
a giant team of people. Straight talk. I mean, good management. We have great management. We have great
management at home. Road management is tight. The booking agents are
on point with the things that we want to do. We basically sit down and
create our vision for the year, and then the people that
we work with establish the appropriate tour for the
appropriate length of time. And yeah, it just
takes it takes a lot of people working together to
keep the organization running well. And we have great people. MICHAEL TRENT: Yeah. And it frees us up
to come up with ideas or just to be creative. And then we’re in a comfortable
place with all the people that work around us to
be like, we have an idea. How does this work? CARY ANN HEARST: How
bad is this idea? MICHAEL TRENT: When do
we have time to do this? How can we make this idea work? And then our
manager, or our team will provide the
space and everything. It’s really cool being
in a mid-level thing. Because nobody’s really
telling us what to do. They let us do our job, and
we let them do their job. And everybody trusts each
other, and it’s good. JASON ANDREAS: And
I love that too. I mean, I think it’s
such an interesting spot to be in with all the
connections with your fans, and being able to do a lot
of things that kind of allow you to expand that creativity. Let me ask you a question
around that then too. When do you find
time to write music, find time to write new songs? Are you sitting on
a pile of songs? CARY ANN HEARST: That’s
a good question, Jason. JASON ANDREAS: When
does that fit in? MICHAEL TRENT: Usually
when we’re pregnant. CARY ANN HEARST:
That’s when we write. Honestly, we get pregnant. We write a lot of
songs, and then– MICHAEL TRENT: We did– this is real. When we had our
first child, back to the beginning of this
conversation, we see someone. We see a therapist. We take it serious. And we’re really
having a hard time finding the time to be creative. It’s like there’s
always something to do. I mean, you know. If you’re not doing the
thing, then you’re– CARY ANN HEARST:
Guilty that you’re– MICHAEL TRENT: –feeling guilty,
and you can feel the resentment wave about to– CARY ANN HEARST: And your
partner and your children, resenting you at every turn. JASON ANDREAS: You’re
making me feel bad. I’m like, when do I have
time to go mow the lawn? MICHAEL TRENT: What are you
supposed to be doing right now? JASON ANDREAS: And you
guys are writing albums. [LAUGHING] MICHAEL TRENT:
Your kids need you. JASON ANDREAS: You’ve
got something to do. Right, yeah. MICHAEL TRENT: We sat down,
and we’re like, OK, well, how do we do this? Who’s getting up at what
time, and when can each of us have two or three hours to
just go and be alone, and try to write, or be creative,
or clear our minds? And we took that
part of it seriously and gave each other
some time and space. And it was good. It worked. We wrote this record
through that space. JASON ANDREAS: Well, we
appreciate you taking some time out of this busy schedule too. We know your kids are
back at the hotel, and we know you’ve
got the day off, as you were telling us earlier. So thank you for spending
some time with us. I know it’s a short
amount of time, but we couldn’t
appreciate it more. I ended with this picture. I love this picture,
and it was fun watching you guys perform too. You guys are very constantly
in contact with one another. And I don’t know if
that’s just because you’re so passionately in
love, or you’re just telling each other
through your eye emotions that you’re screwing things up. CARY ANN HEARST: It’s both. JASON ANDREAS: I don’t
know which one it is. Yeah, both of those? CARY ANN HEARST: I
passionately love you, and you’re very much
screwing this up. JASON ANDREAS: And we’re
totally off on the beat, and get back on. But I love this picture, and
I think it just kind of brings everything back together. And thank you again
for coming in today. We really appreciate it. Thanks for playing a
little bit of music for us and talking a little
about the things going on. Good luck with everything
coming out as well. MICHAEL TRENT: It’s
cool to be here. Thank you. CARY ANN HEARST:
Thank you, yeah. We’ve enjoyed our visit. JASON ANDREAS: Thank you guys. Thank you. [APPLAUSE]

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  1. Now THAT was a great interview. Great questions and great people. It's been so thrilling watching these two come up in the world of music.

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